Azureus Score: 3 , Insightful. This guys only problem that he really rails about is a kernel panic caused by Azureus and some Apple bug in the networking stack. This is terrible, yes, but it's a single bad bug that he's seeing. He just doesn't know what's causing it so he attributes it to the general bugginess of Leopard. I kow this because this is the problem I had, and have spent onsiderable time chasing the Apple discussion forums and my friends to nail it down.
Google 'Leopard Azureus Kernel Panic' for more info. My Leopard Experiences Score: 4 , Interesting. While I think it's laughable to call it a failure at all, especially a failure on the order of Vista, Leopard, as released, does have a number of disappointments for me. I expect them to be automatically fixed in a software update before long, which is far less painful than a massive SP2 or whatever.
Here's what I've found: Some application incompatibility; most Softphones I've tried won't connect to their server. X-Lite won't, and after pointing the finger to Apple and somewhat rightfully so , have grudgingly stated they will come out with an update for it. Something weird must have changed at quite a low level.
The free SJPhone, which works with Vonage, does seem to be one of the rare ones that does work, which will do for now. While Spotlight does offer more features and flexibility now, it does come with a performance penalty. I seem to get reindexing and indexing more often than before, slowing down the system.
General system performance seems more sluggish, and boot times a fair bit higher than Tiger. Things like Expose' seemed a little jerkier than in Tiger. Although this seems a bit better lately, perhaps It took awhile to chase this one down, having to remove asl. That's a pretty sloppy hole for a consumer OS, in my opinion. I've seen my first OSX crashes with Leopard, as well. Yes, the player was not responding well bad ram , but it's no excuse for the USB driver bringing down the system.
I haven't seen this repeated, so maybe it was isolated to that one bad device, or maybe the I have seen one or two occasions where the system just got so sluggish and unresponsive that I had to reboot. Rebooting to make the system run better was unheard of in Tiger. Adobe has acknowledged this, and promised an update early in the new year.
Thankfully OS X's print dialog has a save-to-pdf option, which will do for now, although I find it's not quite as good generated PDF content as Acrobat printer produces. An auto update a couple of weeks after Leopard's release seems to have fixed this one nicely, though.
There were a couple of low-levelish kernel extensions that no longer worked for me, but that's not terribly surprising in a major upgrade, and they were nothing core to my work, just curiosities. Mounting Windows shares seems to be a bit less reliable than before.
Some times it won't connect, and once or twice I had to reboot because finder was wedged trying to mount a share, and I couldn't even relaunch Finder. Not great. But things seem to be working better lately maybe All that being said, I was amazed at how smooth the update from Tiger went; coming from the Windows world, I expected a reinstall to be the only feasible upgrade option. The upgrade to Leopard, however, went off without a hitch.
I did extensive backups, and a test install on an external drive, being so paranoid of losing my stuff in the upgrade, but it wasn't needed, it seems. Almost everything worked, except for the bits mentioned above. Parallels was one app. Bumpy at first, but good after first patch Score: 3 , Interesting. Ok, I have a dual 1. Main thing was that the whole system would just stop, totally frozen from about minutes. I also saw my first Kernel Panic in over 2 years 10 minutes after a clean install.
Another issue was when Firefox would beachball, it would beachball any other application that had a text box in it at the same time, which was enormously frustrating. Then there was the whole moving could lose files thing. I was very glad I had backed my stuff up to DVD before the upgrade. But The finder in particular is a lot snappier and my machine, while still not as noticably snappy as a new Intel based mac, is still snappy enough friends of mine have refused to believe the machine is 5 years old until I proved it to them.
Then they were quite impressed! The remaining problems I have seem to be application related. Some things like MT newswatcher lock up after I post, or freeze in inconvenient places.
I had a copy of some open source software that was screwing up this way I had downloaded the binary but when I pulled down the source and recompiled it, it worked just fine, so I suspect that a lot of application problems are because the developers have not yet recompiled using the latest XCode for Leopard.
While you shouldn't see that kind of incompatibility often in my opinion, given the radical changes Apple made to the OS and pulling out all vestiges of Classic, I can see maybe why some carbon apps in particular might need a recompiling to keep them from having issues.
I am sure there are more bugs to be squashed, but I think Apple will get them in time. By about So give Apple a break, there was a lot of rewiring going on in Leopard, way more than you can see just by looking at the eye candy and Time Machine. It will take a bit of time to get everything perfectly smooth again. Re:Clearly you're mistaken Score: 5 , Insightful.
While yeah, there are a ton of Apple fans out there that can take a bit too much pride in their machines, the fact is that this is somewhat unusual. I've seen tons of mac laptops with cosmetic damage, but it's pretty rare that the operating system on a new mac is unreliable.
If this report represents a widespread issue, that's significant. And partly because macs are supposed to work without any problems.
And frankly, there's no excuse for them not to. With my thinkpad, there are parts from several vendors interoperating and dealing with windows and ubuntu and even my playstation when I stream movies on TVersity. With a mac, it's all Apple, all the time, so the operating system programmer has far less work to do Apple has a very interesting business model that ought to be reliable and usually is, so I think this incident somewhat shows why apple fans are so cocky I'll stick with my thinkpad.
Re:Clearly you're mistaken Score: 5 , Interesting. Being a full-time Gutsy user, I'm particularly hurt by that one, but not surprised. I said several times before it was released that it was going to suck more than Feisty, and it did. Canonical was trying to get everything unstable into Gutsy so that the bugs could be worked out for the long-term release. Wireless is broken again for many people on the same hardware that worked since Dapper.
Enabling Compiz by default was a big mistake. Firefox is less stable. At least Canonical has a reason for it to suck though: Microsoft and Apple intended to put out decent operating systems. For the people I know: Vista owners are installing XP, Gutsy owners are installing Feisty, and now, apparently Leopard owners are rolling back to Tiger.
It's a fucking banner year for the OS. I hope is better. Re:Clearly you're mistaken Score: 4 , Funny. Install Hillary? I don't think so. May as well roll back to Bush. Roll, roll, roll in the hay. Re:Clearly you're mistaken Score: 5 , Informative. I act as a moderator of a big german mac-board, and I've not heard of one single Leopard-user switching back to Tiger. In fact, most of the Leo-crashing-problems stem from people using older versions of "hack-the-OS" - apps like application enhancer APE.
Leopard is stable for the majority of all its users. Re:Clearly you're mistaken Score: 4 , Insightful. Chances are good that one of the following is true: The article's author is using hardware drivers or other kernel extensions that I am not.
In that case, this should be obvious from the panic backtrace and may not be Apple's fault at all. It may also be a problem specific to one model or configuration of Mac. The article's author had an installation failure of some sort. The article's author has bad RAM. Odds are good that the installation is corrupt as a result, so it's a good idea to reinstall if this is the case.
I've seen problems like that since Jaguar, and that particular fix has always worked for me. Switch to Xubuntu Score: 3 , Interesting. Get rid of compiz, put metacity back in. The Window List works as expected, the behavior in Gnome is a bit odd. Wireless does work though NetworkManager is not as reliable as init. Lets see, the only complaint I have with XFCE is that I can't change the amount of text available on desktop icons, long file names are truncated to about 20 chars. Oh and I can't be bothered figuring out how to get an OpenOffice icon for odt files.
Oh and cool featu. People keep on talking about thin clients You're not an average computer user Score: 3 , Insightful. My personal preference, and it is a strong one, is that I will not touch console games In addition, I get dramatically better resolution on my monitor than on my TV, and I happen to enjoy it more.
In other words Some people do it in order to run a fan-less system so there is less noise. There's far more to computing than just Word. I think it's ironic that the slashdot group, being a tech savvy bunch, assume that everyone else just uses Word and their favorite web browser.
There are plenty of people using power hungry applications. Have you ever rendered anything? Played around with an image the size of a poster in Photoshop with a high enough DPI for print?
Mixed your own audio tracks? Made a movie? Used CAD software? Grandma aside, users are getting smarter and more and more people are using these kinds of programs. If all someone wants is just a typewriter with spell check then great, give them something that's 10 years old and be done with it. I don't think that's going to satisfy the average user though.
Re:Clearly you're mistaken Score: 5 , Funny. About Linux on laptops: I've recently installed Linux openSUSE on a bunch of them, and there is no single piece of hardware that doesn't work, apart from suspending to RAM on our HP nxs we also have some other brands and types, and they work flawlessly. Worked OK too,. You make an excellent point. Re: Score: 3. I gave up on Ubuntu when an upgrade to Fiesty Fawn completely hosed my install audio, x11, pam and acpi all broken to some degree.
I actually am one of those fanboys and I've gotta admit I'm very surprised by the number of issues that have come up with this release. WTF is going on in the Network Prefs?
I don't know what's going on with your machine, but I'. I haven't had any of the problems you mention X11 runs fine, for instance , but usually I wouldn't bother replying. No they didn't. Wait a second. I thought Leopard came with a time machine? Personal experience. The only real issue I have, using a white 24" iMac, is I get periodic freezing of the whole system - no spinning rainbox CD either Bizarre as it sounds, its the UI that is locked.
By that I mean I was just fine on Skype - just could not do anything with the keyboard or programs, the mouse moved but could not activate anything. Still the whole upgrade has been mostly ho hum. As in, for a hundred bucks I would have expected something really outstanding here and no time machine isn't.
This is just plain negligent. Remind me to never come to you for any sort of consulting. While I agree that there's no reason for a base install of Leopard on an Apple machine to exhibit problems The average user will also install a lot of non-apple software on their machine and possibly try to connect some non-apple peripherals.
Of the 3 leopard machines i have, only one has crashed, and it's happened once. This was due to plugging in a blackberry. When i upgraded the system. No one said it was easy. But then again, there were "usability" options alleged to have been part of the settlement when Apple sued Upon further googling [pbs.
Re:What will be interesting Score: 5 , Informative. Re:What will be interesting Score: 5 , Interesting. Re:What will be interesting Score: 4 , Interesting. I have a PPC system on Leopard and compared to Tiger its relatively the same with few if any crashes.
Longer to index, or longer to search. Safari 3 is rock solid for me too. I launched it immediately after upgrading to Leopard and. I only have one machine running leopard but my experience has been much the same as yours. I'm sure leopard isn't perfect, nothing is, but i.
Jones writes:. I noticed that even with Tiger even thaugh Tiger didn't crash, there I had slowdowns, app-evel issues etc. Well, to edify you And my opinion on the author's rant Leopard is buggy and Apple has few excuses Score: 3 , Insightful. But you're right, I don't see the similarity either. Vista has to work probably 3 orders of magnitude more configurations than OSX does, yet Leopard is still very buggy, e.
Re:Leopard is buggy and Apple has few excuses. Re:Leopard is buggy and Apple has few excuses Score: 5 , Insightful. So what icons does Windows use for representing Apple filesharing protocol shares?
Re:What will be interesting Score: 4 , Funny. Well, I'm sure that your heart monitoring software is far more complex than an operating system that has to deal with thousands of possible computer configurations and marshall memory and files to boot.
How hard can it be to write an operating system, right? I mean, those Lunix guys did it in a couple of days, and it works absolutely flawlessly! Over the past half decade, the company worked hard to deliver a major consumer update to Windows, but was unable to do so as planned in It then failed again in , , and It officially shipped Vista in January as Windows 6. Apple delivered reference updates to Mac OS X in , , and , along with a transition to Intel processors in and a port to ARM for the iPhone in and a new reference release as Leopard for Macs.
That's four paid releases, which adds up to less the cost of Vista Ultimate and a de-malware checkup. In between, Apple has released over 35 free minor updates that fix issues and add significant new features such as IP over Firewire, or file system journaling.
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If you're talking about sharing files between a Vista PC and a Mac, I too would be interested in knowing the answer. I've followed every guide I could get my hands on and I have yet to make it work. This issue has just happened with leopard, it was working fine in tiger, as vista could connect etc How can i get my pc to connect to my mac shares and my mac to connect to my pc shares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options Blaine Posted December 6, Posted December 6, I have file sharing on Vista turned on, but my Macbook never sees the Vista pc.
Vice Posted December 6, It's quite easy to do takes 5 minutes I'd say. SMB of course. Just the normal built in file sharing provided by Vista. Blaine Posted December 7, Posted December 7, Anybody else have any ideas? Block Sponsored Links. In this article: apple , features , Interviews , leopard , microsoft , os x , OsX , vista , windows. All products recommended by Engadget are selected by our editorial team, independent of our parent company.
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